In this episode of Stop the Noise, Susan Tatum dives into the transformative power of mindfulness with Vaishali Joshi, founder and CEO of the Anvaya Movement. Vaishali shares practical strategies for transitioning from corporate roles to independent consulting while managing stress.
Notes from the Show
1. Vaishali's Journey and Motivation:
Vaishali reflects on her 30-year corporate career, the personal and professional challenges she faced, and how these experiences motivated her to found Anvaya, a movement dedicated to proactive stress management and mindfulness.
2. Understanding Mindfulness:
Vaishali defines mindfulness as harnessing the full potential of one's mind to manage stress and improve daily responses. She explains the different parts of the brain involved and how awareness can help in managing stress.
3. Transition from Corporate to Consulting:
Vaishali opens up about the fears and challenges of leaving a steady corporate job for consulting, and how mindfulness helped her navigate this transition.
4. Practical Mindfulness Practices:
Vaishali shares actionable mindfulness techniques like breathwork and meditation that helped her maintain mental and emotional health. She emphasizes the importance of integrating these practices into daily routines.
5. Implementing Mindfulness in Busy Lives:
Vaishali addresses how busy professionals can integrate mindfulness into their daily routines without feeling overwhelmed. She stresses aligning daily activities with core values and managing energy effectively.
6. Observable Changes with Mindfulness:
Vaishali outlines three transformative outcomes of mindfulness: succinct communication, maintaining composure, and leading with insightful questions. These changes can significantly improve personal and professional interactions.
7. Getting Started with Mindfulness:
Vaishali invites listeners to start their mindfulness journey through her structured programs, offering personalized guidance and support. Her "Experience Program" spans 4-5 weeks, and for those seeking a deeper dive, the "Aura Integration Program" extends to 12 weeks.
Mentioned in this Episode:
Listeners can book a 30-minute chat with Vaishali to learn more about her programs and how mindfulness can benefit their personal and professional lives
Transcribed by AI Susan Tatum 0:37
Hi every everybody welcome back to stop the noise. And today my guest is Vaishali Joshi, who is the founder and CEO at the Anvaya Movement. And I'm really excited about this conversation because Vaishali you and have had a couple of conversations. And they, I always come away with pages of notes and other things to think about. And the the topic really fair to say we're going to talk about mindfulness, and how that can help you make a transition from consulting, I mean, from the corporate world into consulting, but also just deal with your, with your daily life. I very much appreciate you being here. So to get started, tell us a little bit about what what you're doing, how you got to be doing what you're doing.
Vaishali Joshi 1:24
Thank you. Yes, I decided to start this, you know, I'm going to call it a startup, but it's growing pretty fast. It's called Anvaya Movement. And the reason I decided to set this up after 30 years of corporate career, a good career, a very successful career in business transformation was because all through those three decades, like most people, I went through a number of life changes, both on the personal front and my career, as I moved up in the ranks continued to pose newer and newer challenges. And some challenges continued to prevail over the years as well, which really led me to think what was it that I was not, I had not yet learned. And by leading multiple teams, I've worked in eight different verticals, I've worked in multiple countries as well, in that three decade period, I had been exposed to a lot of different leadership styles and a lot of different types of corporate cultures. And being an immigrant really added color to that experience. The world that I came from, which was a third world country, came to Canada when I was 17, on a student visa, and the opportunity to make something of my life. And I think when I take all of those experiences and you layer on some of the normal stuff that happens, you know, divorces happen. I became a stepmother. A lot of different types of what I'll say experiences in life shaped my the impetus to create Anvaya. Anvaya is designed to help people and organizations with with proactive stress management tools. And I when I say that a lot of people start to think well is stress management, I do my yoga class and whatever. So I've, I've invested about two decades of those three decades of work in the space of understanding my own mind. I am a certified Alliance, yoga instructor, I teach. I'm also mindfulness instructor. And the reason I took that course or that path in my life is because I began to see that setbacks were happening every day. Without my involvement with my involvement, the setbacks continued every single day, one way or the other. And my experience every day seemed to be, you know, kind of slowing like you felt like a candle in the wind, you know, it's good today, it's good for a month, then it's not, then you know, and I felt like there has to be a better way to control my experience to call back the power to control my daily experience. And that is why I embarked on this, this, I call it a hobby, but it really became my way of life. And my mindfulness practice has actually fueled the success I've had in my career. It's allowed me to deal with the huge personal setbacks I've had in my life as well. We can talk about any of those in detail. There was pretty traumatic stuff that went on the what I observed was that the more I actually evolved my own mindfulness practice, and I stayed disciplined about it, and I learned how to apply it's not just something I did in the morning on my mat, but I actually learned to take that headspace and carried over into my behaviors and my my impulses and my responses and my reactions and observing myself and then releasing things that didn't work for me and starting to activate myself differently. I began to think to myself, how come we are not teaching younger people or people in general these skills, our formal education doesn't teach us self awareness, how to expand your perception. It doesn't teach us the practice of managing your stress in every given moment. And yet here we are asking our people in organizations to maneuver through huge amounts of change. And then you've wonder why people are we know the stress epidemic that we have right now the burnout epidemic that we have right now, or why parent's are yelling of their children way much more now, or why are children are buried in their devices more all of this as a system. And so I think it begins with us and just calling back our power to say, You know what? I control my own daily experience, and nobody actually needs to invade on that sustainably.
Susan Tatum 5:20
So what what does mindfulness actually mean?
Vaishali Joshi 5:22
So mindfulness, I have a really great definition the ability to use one's full mind is one very basic definition, it's mind full. And here's what's happening with most of us these days in mindfulness, right. So most of us have so much pulling and tugging at us from the moment we wake up. There are so many stimulants for young parent, if you're a parent of a teenager, even before you get to 9am in the morning, you're tearing your hair out, right, and you're trying to get to the gym, and you're trying to take care of your own health so that you can serve others. There's a lot pulling and tugging at us all day long. If you're a people leader, it's a whole other ballgame. So the idea of mindfulness is saying, You know what I call the power to be able to apply my full mind. And the full mind comprises of three parts, you know, our three main parts of our brain, the forebrain, which is where most of our, in fact, all of our creative inspirational work comes from, when you can call your energy from the front brain, we are able to call on the right brain waves in everything we do. mindfulness practices actually allow us to redirect and say, I will come from here, the other two parts, the back of the brain is very emotionally driven. So a lot of our emotional reactions, our initial reactions, anger, sadness, blame, defensiveness, all that comes from a place of insecurity. And the other part of them, the middle brain is where our fight or flight response comes from. And so the awareness that the middle brain is kicking in at the right time to run when you need to, right, or to fight the battle as it is right now accepting what's in front of you. And knowing what is taking over is what the middle brain is for. a mindfulness practice actually allows you to shift from back here, awareness that you're here and bring it right over here before you actually start to act.
Susan Tatum 7:07
Okay, so you were put for those that are listening to this. You were pointing to your back of your head, or the lower part of your head?
Vaishali Joshi 7:14
Yes. And then the mid cortex, which is the middle brain, we call it the middle brain.
Susan Tatum 7:19
Okay. And then to then to the forward brain.
Vaishali Joshi 7:23
Yeah, I also say, Susan, one more thing on the word mindfulness, sorry to interrupt. But when you go to organizations, they always go, Yeah, we promote mindfulness in our organization. And you ask them how they do that, right. And they'll say, Well, we have Friday yoga classes, we have Friday meditation classes, people are free to attend those. So what we found through the 90 or so organizational mindfulness, wellness programs that have been introduced around the world, a recent study this year in January found that none of those was sustainably shifting people's mental health in a way that they perceived that they had conquered their mental health battle. So this idea of mindfulness is not for people who are feeling like they're struggling with mental health issues, it's for all of us to start to really understand how our brain works, our patterns, how we're showing up every day, and how we're leading others.
Susan Tatum 8:13
So a lot of what I hear you saying is that it's awareness that we're learning what to look for, and what to feel and once we become aware of that, then we have some control over it
Vaishali Joshi 8:24
Yes. Correct.
Susan Tatum 8:27
So in the transition from a corporate career, to becoming an independent consultant, and I did this, but I did this maybe 20 years ago. And so I don't I've kind of forgotten a lot of that, except for the people I work with are going through it. What did you experience and making that change?
Vaishali Joshi 8:46
Fear, which we manage daily, now, it's like a given that you're going to be fearful all the time, because your business will will evolve into different different new new stages, right? So there's always the fear of failure at the start, I experienced fear, I experienced fear of many things like how was I going to do without that two week paycheck? You know, that little comfort blanket that I've been carrying for 30 years that paid for everything I ever wanted to do you and all my loved ones, the fear of not being able to do that. Fear of losing a lifestyle, fear of putting out something into the marketplace that that was going to fail, right? So the fear of failure is one overwhelm again. Now it's part of my DNA every morning. I mean, my mindfulness practice is what's keeping the voice of fear and overwhelm under control under control every morning, because otherwise that thing takes over when the overwhelmed voice takes over. It doesn't matter how equipped you are to go down your to do list for that day. If you are working from a place of fear, then you are not going to get through that as efficiently and as effectively even though you have all the skills to do so. So I think this is really mindfulness for entrepreneurs is very much about managing the voice of fear, Voice of overwhelm the sense of anxiety that the outcome will not be exactly as you see it. And that's been an adventure for me. I honestly didn't start off into the space, knowing that today, what it is that I deliver to organizations and to people who is going to look this way. So there's anxiety around the outcome not showing itself as clearly as you want it to everyday you get up and go. Is that tangible enough? Is that going to help anybody? Will anybody pay for this? Right? So there's always the idea as well.
Susan Tatum 10:33
what? What did you do? you mentioned that you have a mindfulness practice that you that's getting you through it?What What does? Can you share that with us?
Vaishali Joshi 10:44
Yeah, many people ask me what is mindfulness is mindfulness a meditation. So no, mindfulness is actually a cognitive skill you can teach. There are many techniques and tools in it's like a toolbox you have, you know, if you have an app, you know, these days, everybody has a calm app, or some kind of meditation app. Large organizations are making that a perk, if you work for them, you get this app, you know, they pay like $4 a month per employee, for that employee to press a button and close their eyes, and maybe go to sleep peacefully.
Susan Tatum 11:18
I use it.
Vaishali Joshi 11:19
Alright, so we have apps and so on my mindfulness practice, took me a good 10 to 15 years to evolve. And what what does that mean? I actually had to experiment I was given when I was 30, I went through a divorce. And I checked off all the boxes, you know, coming from the Eastern cultures is like, study, be top of the class, make that tray, get that job, so on and so forth. Got it, done it, married at 26. And I was like,
Susan Tatum 11:43
check, check, check
Vaishali Joshi 11:44
inched and then at 80, you hit a wall, and you're going through a divorce, and you're going No, at 30. The book says, I'm supposed to be a mother. This is not happening right now, what's going to happen to me. So it was at that time I was going through one of those rock bottom moments that somebody took me by the hand and walked me into a room full of people, I didn't know what was going to happen. But for four days, I was given tools on how to breathe, I was I was taught a method of breathing. I knew nothing about breath work. What I did have within my in my upbringing was a lot of spirituality. My parents had given me those tools. And for me, spirituality was, you know, music of a certain kind, that always I would chant, and I would always feel better. But I knew nothing more than that breath work unlocked. So I'm a very disciplined person. So when they gave me the tools, I went back to my little apartment with all my boxes around me. And I started, I was told this is a 30 minute practice. You do it every day. And one of the biggest aspects of mindfulness is stop letting that expectation voice takeover. So how about you go into this not being a corporate executive? And how about you forget about the outcome? And how about you just stay in the moment, minute by minute, second by second and do as you're told, and so I adopted that mindset. Every time I caught myself with my Oh, my God, what, what, what's going to come out of this or, you know, I stopped I warded that off, within a month,
Susan Tatum 13:03
back up a minute, you said, Do as you do, as you're told, so this was part of somebody was guiding you through learning how to do this?
Vaishali Joshi 13:12
No, I was given that in four days. So I finished this course. And then I went back to my apartment. And every day, I started getting up at six o'clock. And before instead of running and spending two hours in the gym, which I could to work off the emotionality as we're going through. I said, Okay, fine, I will go do the workout. And then I will do this. One of the things they taught me is do your physical practice first. So whatever physical, if that's running, that's walking, that's going to the gym, go burn off the physical energy first. So I knew that order. And then I would come back, and I would take the next hour to do this practice. And so the practice was a three step breathwork practice, followed by a certain chanting. And a lot of naysayers will say, You know what, I'm not into that woowoo stuff, right? Like, I don't do that. What we haven't understood as human beings is the innate power of breath, such a God given gift. And right, it is the way in which we absorb energy every second of our lives, but we haven't actually learned to mine the wealth of benefits that come from it. So I practiced. And a month later, I found myself not sitting in a bathtub crying as much every night, thinking my life was doomed. I stopped the Doom thinking, I began to get more energetic in the workplace where I was always like hiding from because of what I was going through. I was just trying to I was staying quiet and I wasn't speaking up and, and that was kind of prevailing in a different way as well, because the less you spoke at work at the right time, the more people thought you didn't know what was going on. Right? Like she doesn't want to go. But you wouldn't go tell people what you're going through. So I started to voice more assertively, I began to listen more actively. I was coming back. I could feel myself coming back. I wasn't crying at the drop of a hat. I wasn't getting frustrated with my parents who are now posing the Lifesize question of oh now you have to get your married again, right? Like, how else will you become a mother like all these, you know, all the voices that said that you cannot, unless you do X Y Zed, I began to accept my circumstances, my ex husband and I were going through that divorce, I began to get far more calm, and less defensive and less accusatory. And I began to have very constructive conversations going, thinking about being more forward focused, I also was no longer attached, I saw the detachment starting to happen with the marriage like detachment with someone I had spent 10 years with, since I was a university student, I had spent my you know, my young adulthood with him, I knew. And so that the healthy detachment, mindfulness teaches you how to practice healthy detachment in every thing you do, you know, you're not supposed to be so emotionally involved, because it skews your perception of what is happening around you. So healthy detachment is the ability to step back always from a situation and keep looking at the big picture. So I started the practice, I got super interested in what it was doing to me, it was changing me, I felt far less stress in the workplace, I felt happier on my own, I wasn't looking for things to make me happy. And that's when I started the path I started on, I need to know more about this. I have therefore certified through multiple organizations now zard, many different techniques of mindfulness for some people, breathwork works for others. breathwork works a different way. Meditation, there's many ways to meditate. So depending on your life journey, Susan, it's important for you, for me to understand, for example, what is your life journey? What are the patterns that you have observed in yourself? Have you at all? Do you see how those patterns are playing? And this is common stuff, a lot of coaches are teaching this kind of work. But then there comes the notion of, do you have a practice every day of maintaining the space of acceptance of where you are in a state of contentment with where you are? Because if you don't, then you'll always be pulled by external stimulants to act a certain way.
Susan Tatum 17:15
I have a question that I think is probably going through the mind of listeners, and that is, is there is it a shortcut? And like, where do you find the time, if you're on this, you're on this treadmill? Now you it sounds to me like you reached a point in your life where you had no alternative but to change. But some people may still be suffering through the stress, they've made a change, they came out there, they're no longer in this very structured environment. And now the world is just throwing all kinds of stuff at them. And maybe they have the kids and all of that we know what you're talking about. Where do you how do you find the time to spend an hour a day or whatever it is to do this?
Vaishali Joshi 17:59
Yeah, very good question. So before I address that, because I get asked that question a lot. Where do you find the time and the reason I get asked that question, I was speaking at a university two weeks ago, and there was these aspiring HR professionals in MBA class there and they, you know, when I introduce myself, I talk about my mindfulness business. I talk about my corporate career, my speaking engagements I speak about having two stepdaughters that I've raised who are adults now, I speak about my 13 year old who still keeps me on edge. I speak about the mountains that I go to climb every two years, because I am a mountain climber. I took that up randomly
Susan Tatum 18:32
seriously mountain climbing?
Vaishali Joshi 18:33
Yes. So you know, and I love kickboxing. So I mean, you know, I practice my yoga. And so the question always comes back to how did you get doing all this stuff? Right? Where do you find the time and the energy? And here's what I will say, my mindfulness practice has done is super sharpened. What do I care about most? There's a lot of things in a given day, that can take priority for you. But it's really important when you step back and say, What are my top three values? What do I care about the top three things I care about the most? right for me, my mental and physical health is one of those top three, I have learned that when I don't master that I can't execute to my fullest potential on many other fronts, and many things fall apart as a result of that. So make the time not just for my physical well being but for my mental health. Am I doing the right things? The second, once you've got those values, then there is the whole notion of aligning your resources to those values. What are resources we all have 24 hours in a day. I tend to be that person who loves and prefers to wake up super early. If you wake me up at four in the morning. I used to do the straight through university. Well 4 in the morning. I am on like a bright light and I get stomped on faster, right but do not ask me to stay up late past 9, 10 And then I'm like done. Right. So understanding your own patterns. And then knowing that you're allocating your resources to those three values every day, at least for the most part, things will get derailed once in a while, right? I get my well being, but today, I didn't get to my mental practice. Alright, we're back to it the next day. So I have found by practicing that, like every single day, I have found that there's an enormous amount of mental capacity and physical energy that we don't mind into. Because we are giving up so much of our physical energy in the stress that we carry, and even food that we eat, and I started fasting, I'm in the practice of fasting, right, we eat when we are hungry. And sometimes we eat because we don't have anything better to do. The body is burning so many calories, trying to digest food constantly. And that is all energy that is lost in food digestion, that is energy that's supposed to be directed somewhere else. So fasting is a form of mindfulness. So what I teach in my, in my organization to to professionals, I found that my target market has has really been men or women who are working professionals, they could be young parents, that are really climbing the ladder right now and finding that they go to work every day. They do Okay, okay. They're are they where they think they could be? No, but they come home and they're feeling very unfulfilled? Because it feels like you're just, you know, in the rat race? Yeah. So they asked me, Where do you free up this capacity to do the things that you love and open up the creative channels, and Anvaya has been a has been a labor of great love and creativity. But those channels had shut down in corporate, I was just living in the box. Like most corporate professionals, this is my box, this is what I do I do it well, I come in, I do it every day, I lead people a certain way. And when I took those wheels off, it was my mindfulness practice of powered up the creativity and say, what can you do with this? Right? Why two? Aces? No structure? What are you going to do? So I always tell people that I find time because time exists in my brain. There's a great short I do about you know, those of us who have mastered how to slow down time in your head, versus what the clocks always telling you. The sense of panic takes up a lot of energy, the sense of eating emotionally takes up a lot of energy, redirect that energy. And now you've got all these, you know, Master speakers like Tony Robbins, and you wonder, where do they how do they get time to do all this stuff? How do they create so much they've mastered the use of capacity in their head versus that there
Susan Tatum 22:34
she's pointing at her watch my watch. So what i What's going through my head as I'm listening to you is I have the same dedication to exercise like if I don't, if I don't get to the gym, if I'm not on my bike, if I'm not doing something every day, I feel bad. But it would take effort to sit down daily and try to be mindful. I'm not saying it's not worth the effort. I'm just saying how I think it totally would be worth the effort. It's maybe it's the discipline that I lack around that to being able to do it. So how do I how do I? How do I fix that?
Vaishali Joshi 23:18
I'm going to say before we jump into that earlier, you asked me this question about well, can people get there faster?
Susan Tatum 23:25
Yes
Vaishali Joshi 23:26
I want to address that. I started Anvaya because I didn't want people having to go through the the number of falls and get up again. And think for 15 years that I did, I did it because it was coming from my heart space. I was super interested. But I wanted more people to learn this faster. So my clients tend to start with me with your experience, which is four to five weeks long. And it's been exactly actually a year this week that my first two clients started that program with me back in June last year. And when you look at them a year later, they have adopted mindfulness practices that work for them daily, and are showing up in their lives. So no, you don't need to, because that was a whole objective for me is teach this stuff, you know, get people's headspace faster, get them to see themselves and start practicing faster. So that's the first thing I'll say. There are two programs for individuals, the four week then leads to a longer deeper dive. So you have clients who want to then jump into this deeper because they see the changes happening in their, in their in their lives. The second thing I'll say is about discipline, it is very much like anything you get successful at. It requires discipline. But it is not this drive yourself hard in any term. Like when we're learning a technical skill, or you know, I'm going to go climb a mountain so I got to stay working out every single day in this way or else. So building a mindfulness practice is about teaching yourself Self Compassion, maintaining equanimity, about the things you did accomplish and the things you didn't accomplish every single day. So for me, it started off with a half hour prior does, because that's what I was taught. Today I sit in meditation willfully for an hour easily, because I just know what space it's going to get me into that when I come out of my meditative practice, and I get off my mat, forgive me, when I get off my mat, and I walk into the next thing in the kitchen, or in the car and driving and the road rage and the blah, blah, blah, and all the stimulants, you have cultivated that happy space, I'm gonna call it a happy space. The other thing you'll notice, Susan, is once you have tasted that happy space, which you almost don't want to wake up from sometimes like, you just have to have a ding saying, okay, wake up now, you will always know how far from that happy space you strayed in any given day. So you will notice very quickly behaviors, words, thoughts, emotions, and you'll quickly say, I need to call it most of us can't do that, because they haven't experienced that space. Right? It's like tasting, something you love the most, that gives you the most, you know, the joy inside, you can taste a million other types of ice cream, for example. But your head heartspace will always go back to that favorite that you have. This is very similar to that. And so I teach my clients practice the return. It's a term I use all the time, practice your return return to where that familiar personal space that you know how you can create anything create at night, you can create in the morning, but you have to be disciplined so that you can get
Susan Tatum 26:29
so does it have to be the same time of day?
Vaishali Joshi 26:33
No, no, it doesn't. There's many mornings where my son will derail my morning. And so if I have practice that this hour and off, you go running in your car, you know, it's that that's what I meant to say is, you know, self compassion as I'm driving, and I'm going, okay, where in my day is this going to fit in, and it cannot be slotted in between, you know, I got my 1:30 and my 2pm meeting, it can't be slotted like that. Because the minute you perceive rush, the minute you perceive that your mind is going to race with work, I found most of my clients will either practice early mornings, and most of them actually landed there, after a lot of trial and error. But they don't, then that's their sort of 4pm or their that's their afternoon 3pm break, they may go back to work after that, or that's, that is sort of the bridge between I finished work. And I'm getting to my next thing.
Susan Tatum 27:22
That makes sense. Yeah. Well, so we're coming up at the end of time, and I still have questions. We were talking earlier, before we started recording, I think about the three things that we might notice in ourselves or notice in others when they're when they're being mindful. Can you go through those just just quickly for us?
Vaishali Joshi 27:41
Yeah, these are outcomes I seek to see in my clients, when they're, when they've started working with me or about to finish with me. The first thing is, they become far more succinct. So fewer words, they are able to call on the right expression, without feeling like they have to keep saying things over and over again repeating themselves. It's because it's that's the brain pattern. When you aren't observing yourself, you're in your own cycles. The second thing is the ability to take statements that others may make to you opinions, judgments, and be able to say, I can actually stay quiet here silent. I'm going to just breathe here, I get called on conference calls into like Vaishali. Are you okay? Yeah, I'm just taking a breath, I breathe, and I breathe very deep, and I breathe loudly. But that's not because I'm exasperate or anything. It's the power of breath to stay centered and silent while that person delivers something that might not rub you the right way. The third thing is the practice of leading with questions. So when you are feeling you already know that whatever that person has said to you is shaking up old memories, you've had a history with this person. It's resentment, it's anger is animosity, all those things that are coming up for you, you will become super observant of okay, this is all coming from back here, right your actions and saying what I'm going to do in this moment, even though I know all the answers because I know this person well enough he could be my husband, right, is I'm going to ask the questions again. So what do those look like things like you use the wrong knife. I've told you not to use that knife for x y Zed in the kitchen. This is moral thing in my kitchen. And if
Susan Tatum 29:24
you've been in my kitchen too,
Vaishali Joshi 29:27
and I get corrected, I get corrected all the use of knives I'm 53 years old, and I wasn't sure I got to you know cook for many people now. And my reaction will always befor it used to be like why do you have to control me? Like what is it to like whether I use this or this or this right? What that will do is spurn argument, and then what you're doing is giving away your energy unnecessarily to a subject that is age old, right? So you come to the understanding that that person is not going to stop being who they are, but you can definitely change your approach so Oh, did I alright, I forgot Thanks, dear. I didn't feel the need to assert myself anymore because I got energy to put into other things, right? I am super cognizant of where I'm spending energy, each word, each gesture, each decision. And for entrepreneurs, this is extremely important because that initial anxiety fear that we have to work through every single day requires us to know how to conserve mental energy, emotional energy. So the practice of energy management for entrepreneurs is a critical skill to have, in order to stay positive, stay optimistic in the face of a lot of pushback and failure and rejection, the ability to say, You know what, I'll wake up the next day, and I'll have just as much zeal and enthusiasm for what I do
Susan Tatum 30:43
So how can someone get started? Or how, how to get in touch with you?
Vaishali Joshi 30:48
My website's a great place to start. You can book a chat with me for 30 minutes at book.meetanvaya.com I can put that in a chat or I don't know what
Susan Tatum 30:58
we can put it in the in the show notes. But it's A,N,V,A,Y,A
Vaishali Joshi 31:03
Right, yeah, so it's book.meetanvaya.com
Susan Tatum 31:09
Okay, and you are on LinkedIn.
Vaishali Joshi 31:11
Yeah. And I'm very open to those 30 minute chats to figure out whether the or Experience Program, which is four to five weeks, I say four to five, because everybody goes through it differently. They work with me twice a week for an hour and a half each. And if they find that that has significantly helped them, or gotten them onto a path of practicing every day, then some clients will then move on to what I call aura integration, which is a full 12 week program, which really does a deep dive in some of those areas that you feel really need examination, self examination, and changing our patterns, our habits, our ways of looking at things and our interactions with everything around us.
Susan Tatum 31:51
All right, that sounds good. So we're up against our time now. And I thank you so much for being here Vaishali. What you've shared, I think is really important and interesting and very, very helpful. So thank you.
Vaishali Joshi 32:05
Thank you so much, Susan. I'll send the correct connection information to you but I really appreciate this opportunity to speak about what I do.
Susan Tatum 32:13
Well, thank you and talk to you later. Have a good day.
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